Id never put my family in danger and drive a car if I wasnt feeling well, why would anyone think Id fly that way? Youd think somebody in the FAA would be ashamed of being this dumb and show a little initiative and courage to fix such obvious issues instead of burying their tiny little heads in the sand. You would not be alone, as there are many older pilots that fly with conditions that would disqualify them from getting the Third Class medical. Just waht we need more busybodys like you who cant mind their own business. Last summer I went to get my 3rd class med. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. Counseling, HTN, whatever. It was OK to fly without government harassment. It's not those. Ill continue to go by the book until such time as the rules change, or I wish to no longer fly. How come the standards are so different now? Not much of a medical exam, if you ask me. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. Try to determine why it is required of you, but not others, with OSA. Two of the pilots I know of with these problems have Class 1 Medical Certificates. I would love to see the third class go away, but I doubt any government agency will voluntarily give up any turf. Additionally, I believe this would be a tremendous economic boon for the industry as a whole. When the whole 3rd class medical requirement is seen in a larger context, its absurdity can be seen. Lying on the medical is usually unnecessary in order to keep flying, and has such potentially dire consequences for ones life, family, and finances that its not worth the risk. At least my livelihood doesnt depend on it. What Are the Chances of and Penalties for Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? PERIOD. If Im not successful, well, I will probably just put the dream to bed again. Also my flight instructor was telling me that he knew an applicant who lied about his criminal history for shoplifting and two to three months later the FAA found out and pulled his medical currently and he did not hear back for any clearance to fly again so these are great examples why not lie. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. Needless to say, I passed. G E King, The FAA is hopelessly stuck in the stone age, especially in the Aeromedical division. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. There shouldnt be different standards for flying than are for driving. These are a few of the most frequently asked questions pilots have concerning the FAA and their medical certificate. Holy hell! Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. So, instead of less regulation, we need more and along with that comes enforcement. I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. But the standards are not different. Such a persons private physician(s) might not think so, but those physician(s) have no say in the matter. whether, in their life, have they been diagnosed with, had, or presently have a history of ADHD. Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. The flight will continue without further incident. You are better off to work truthfully with your AME. I have no problem with the current system. He had me sit where I could not see him so that I could not tell when he hit the switch that turned on the tone I was required to listen for. Anyone who would report this immediately loses their medical and has to wait a year. I have thought about going Sport Pilot but if I am not healthy enough to pass tests for a 3rd class physical I am not healthy enough to fly sport pilot. While my husband sailed through after having lied. Contact an aviation medical examiner (AME) early if you have doubts or questions. I started flying and was completely awe-stricken. The issue is what we feel is important, because the government wants a complete history and providing it isnt possible and pilots are going to make their own judgements about whats truly important to fully disclose. Dont take it personally, those are just the facts on the ground. Coud be they are asking to much, to elimate the third class medical?. I reported controlled hypertension on my questionnaire. Having spent over 10k learning to fly I was advised at my medical I had LBBB. If you can afford to own or rent an airplane, you can afford to pay an AME. There is no rule to disclose insulin dependence for a drivers license and a drivers license, not a medical certificate, is all that is required to fly as a sport pilot. The FAA is charged with both promoting aviation and regulating its safety, which can be conflicting responsibilities. I do recommend that you do ask your AME any questions regarding your medications and or your medical history and assist in the gathering of medical records relating to what condition you may have and also the same for your arrest/and or correctional history to explain why on the medical form in the explanations page. If I have a bad cold, or whatever, I will DQ myself for flight, even if such action results in a profound economic penalty for me even though I have a valid First Class Medical. Wouldn't it be nice if, when you opened up Med Expres, all the information that you had included in your last application was there for reference. I dont feel it would be correct to try to hide a condition from these people. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. Like driving big trucks and boats have no such pseudo-medical crap. Takes the wind out of your sails. I told the truth (that I had a very early-stage, very treatable cancer) and had my medical yanked. The next hell will be finding out what conditions they place on that SI. I just left the Marine Corps and want nothing more than to begin my flight training, but I still cant help but wonder about the outcome, especially after all I have read on this thread. With the right preparation, you can navigate the process efficiently. From the archives: how valuable are check rides? The best advice we can give you is to visit an aviation medical examiner (AME). What are the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical? This article does not in any way counsel the reader as to how to appropriately respond to questions on the FAA medical application, nor does it give medical advice regarding the accuracy of the readers medical history. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. They ask about frequent or severe yet dont define how frequent is frequent or how severe is severe. Obviously, many do. The regulations are not arbitrary. Im due for a flight medical soon. Most people fall into the trap thinking that one DUI will prevent them from getting their medical, or they fear it will make it difficult to get. The FAA medical certification process has at times made me feel that I was in actual hell. I was STUPID enough to be honest. I had kidney stone surgery 12 years ago and over the last two years I passed two stones at home. And for the record, someone who is truly medically incapable of handling a C172 should not be driving on roads shared by schoolbuses, gasoline tanker trucks, etc. Ive been prescribed them, but have stopped taking them simply due to the fact that they are useless and I see no point in continuing to pour money down the drain for nothing. Perfect safety is impossible, and an excessive attempt to achieve it will conflict with freedom. Pilots need to grow some, stand together, and stop tolerating it. Syed, Maybe this will thin out the disastrous ideas, programs, attitudes and regulations coming out of government (like helping poor people buy houses) by ensuring government employees are not under the influence of mind altering drugs or pharmaceuticals and had a good-nights rest unhampered by sleep apnea. He was the author of numerous books, including. Its not a profession which that college students wake up and decide they want to fly a plane. As statistics show flying is considerably safer than any land based carrier. Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. That isnt good leadership. Told the truth, The FAA took my license. I was told at a young age I could not fly with one eye, but latter in life I found out I could with a medical waver. In this age of fax machines, email, twitter, facebook, linked in, etc, it is obvious that the FAA is stuck in the past. Id had apnea for several years, napped daily once or twice. I do not lie on my medical, but would love to be able to fly a 172 using a drivers licence in lieu of a class III medical. Pilot organizations offer free advice to members, commercial outfits offer advice and assistance for a fee and printed resources are available. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. In my opinion the medical standards of evaulating pilots needs to be changed in light of new treatments. Im sorry to hear that. Ive been fighting to get my 3rd class for 10 years and now I think Im close to getting a special issuance. Never used my weapon except for training. no? Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. After 30 years without a problem, one would think the risk of incapacitation is no greater than the general pilot population flying on a normal class III medical. Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. Why do we have a federal bureaucracy policing such a low number of casualties? Are you serious? In other words, bigger name on the other line. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. Many pilots have waited months or years for their medical certificates because each new record they provide to justify their medical certificate eligibility reveals another ailment they did not disclose before. Makes no logical sense. Gradually, our freedoms are being taken away by government regulatory entities. Obviously, the Veterans Administration and the military are still struggling to understand PTSD and have been dropping the ball for 50 years. Needless to say, I dont have my class 3 medical now. At least three questions on the FAA medical application (Form 8500-8) can identify to the FAA that an individual potentially has a history of ADHD. Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. Again, Im not arguing against the need for medical certification, but the process needs some serious streamlining. see you in the cockpit!! I got my ticket after age 50. Im healthy, but had been to the doc a number of times over the last couple years (or whatever the reporting period was), for inconsequential (for flying) things, so, just reading the med form, as it said I could, I attached a sheet with all those doc visits. No legal issue or problem is too small or too large for The Ison Law Firm. Yes, all my discussion was only applicable to private, recreational pilots, not airline or large freight liner pilots. Every single pilot lied on their medical form. AOPA and FAA have not really been a lot of help. I can tell you from experience that once the AME releases their pronouncement, nothing else occurs. Now, prostate cancer several years in the past with normal PSAs now is not a hindrance and the AME is instructed to issue the medical certificate. Yes its very rare for someone to have heart attack or neurological brain seizure in flight. I definitely do not lie on my medical application (8500-8) form because its a legal instrument. Who would you send them to? Lets analyze how you got to a denial and what can be done to appeal the denial. One correction that I expect an AME to know if you have a condition that you KNOW will result in a medical denial, youre not qualified to fly sport. The information provided on this website is not intended to be a replacement or substitute for professional medical advice. As for lying on the medical form, lies can be undiscovered for a lifetime of flying, but if there is an incident or accident, the FAA and/or NTSB will dredge up every doctor visit, medication, hospitalization they can. None of the above activities has any significant medical requirement. I have to weigh in on this issue. The other is you tell the FAA about something. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. What the FAA is looking for are patterns of behavior that suggest pathological conditions that may lead to gross negligence or unsafe decisions regarding flying. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. That means, 1) applying for brand new medical, 2) taking the written exam (s) over; and 3) taking the check ride (s) again. I was so desperate to lower the volume that I installed a volume control in my own headset so I would not be blasted out of my seat. Should I expect the FAA to understand my circumstance if theyre going to pull a pilots ticket for marital counseling? Please remember, he has a liability also. How about providing you SSAN when the FAA does not need it? Im 64 and working on my PP license. Ok, I read the revised FAA 61.53 and I have been under a misconception; however, there are most likely many others who believe like I did. Ignorance is, therefore, no excuse for not disclosing one of the following conditions: Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical arent very high. The odds of a passenger catching Covid-19 on a flight and dying from the virus are less than one in half a million. I think its a very poor decision to falsify your medical. BINGO! While I dont think most will lie on their medicals, I feel that some will if they have an issue and are in fear of losing their certificate(s). Don't undergo a physical exam if you suspect you might be disqualified. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? If your medical expires, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to fly. Risk is a price of freedom. I cheeted on a eye test flowen with out a incedent. Thats just BS. It has caused unnecessary pain and inhibits its mission to promote aviation. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. And the FAAs restrictions regarding SSRIs effectively make it impossible for use by commercial pilots. Lie by default. Can you say, Martha Stewart?, I do think that the First and Second class medical criteria should be more stringent.. Actually, in some years there are 0 attributed to sudden incapacitation, such as heart attack or stroke. hej Jim, you couldnt describe better the current situation: from Aryan superman to weelchair pilot. Beyond criminal penalties and keeping your pilots license, there are many other reasons to be forthright with your FAA Aviation Medical Examiner (AME), but for now just as a thought experiment consider that you choose to falsify your medical certificate application. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. However, when it comes to flying without another capable pilot on board.only friends and family..that is another matter. Society cares little about helping people with mood disorders beyond marginalizing them and throwing them into a risk factor category and dismissing their issues. Next, instead of the Class 3 Medical Certificate being good for 5 years until age 40 when it decreases to 2 years, make the decrease more gradual. They rely on that trust and the deterrence provided by the severe penalties at their disposal to preserve the integrity of the medical certification process. Even when telling the truth the FAA doesnt give the AME the power to decide. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. But have to retest for awake and alertness annually. I had to get TWO EKGs to satisfy FAA medical! 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